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Guest Danny Rice

FLAi sound great.  Will there be any GA and/or helicopter AI models?

 

Thanks

 

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Guest Ira Robinson

WoW!  Just WoW!  Gentlemen, you have outdone yourselves.  Just outstanding work.  Thank you doesn't seem like enough, but it's all we have. So thank you.

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This sounds absolutely fantastic.  I can't wait.  And I can't imagine the amount of time I currently spend maintaining my AI library and tweaking the model matching rules suddenly being freed up.

 

Next, a comprehensive scenery update for the whole US, right?  (Hey, a guy can dream, LOL...)


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Question -- does the library contain support for legacy airlines, such as Pan Am, Continental, Eastern, etcetera?

 

Good question. Currently we do not have support for legacy airlines. We wanted to keep the filesize down as best as we could to improve load times. If there is a need for them then we will definitely reconsider. This being said, you are more than welcome to add them yourself. All you have to do is create a texture folder within the specific aircraft type for that livery called callsign - airline name (i.e. PAA - Panam). Once this is accomplished you can add the entry to the aircraft.cfg like normal, and the model matching code we have written will automatically recognize the addition.


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Question -- does the library contain support for legacy airlines, such as Pan Am, Continental, Eastern, etcetera?

If you have a few that specifically you'd like to see, I think we could add those in. Right MR?


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Evan Reiter

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Question -- does the library contain support for legacy airlines, such as Pan Am, Continental, Eastern, etcetera?

If you have a few that specifically you'd like to see, I think we could add those in. Right MR?

I definitely recommend the exact three I mentioned, in that case.  :-)  And, it's not just for myself -- I definitely notice there are PAA, COA, and EAL callsigns tooling around the US on VAT-Spy from time to time.  Moreso Pan Am and Continental, really, and even TWA every now and then, now that I think of it.  So you could start with those and work in others as you decide it's worth it.

 

I also understand it might not be top priority -- but, a worthwhile suggestion, I hope, for enhancing the project!


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I will definitely try to implement it in future versions. What we believe is the final release candidate was sent to the beta testers last night. I was able to include model matching for COA, NWA, AWE, and TRS. The issue with the Panam an Eastern Airlines flying is that we don't have the aircraft models for them. The AI aircraft developer who does have the 707, 717, 727, and A310 refused to give us permission to use their models a while ago. Although we developed workarounds, we don't have the aircraft for the full fleet of retro airlines. I will definitely keep this in mind though, and try to implement it in future versions!


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Yah, no worries -- I'm sure you're dealing with a vast web of licensing nightmares, LOL!

 

If it helps, if I had to guess, the majority of the time I see a PAA callsign online (myself included), it's a 744.  (I guess the slight catch is that Pan Am's 747s were properly -100s and -200s.  I'm not sure how much you're bending reality with these, but, that might end up posing an impass as well.)


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Another fantastic little thing that BVA has done, especially for new people to the network. I've already benefited from BVA's updated airport files, updating KBOS, and now I can look forward to this. Modelling for new players -

even killing off your simulator's AI aircraft - can be a confusing process for new people.

 

Many thanks!

 


Richard "Doc" Kinne (KE)

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It looks fantastic gentlemen. Do you have any pictures and perhaps a list of the GA aircraft that are contained? As a P3D user, I do hope the venerable C172 has been added since P3D doesn’t have this aircraft.


 

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We have definitely made a point of ensuring there is good model matching available for general aviation. I can't speak to precisely which models are included, but I'm sure Matthew will be able to reply with more.


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Evan Reiter

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It looks fantastic gentlemen. Do you have any pictures and perhaps a list of the GA aircraft that are contained? As a P3D user, I do hope the venerable C172 has been added since P3D doesn’t have this aircraft.

 

Hey Lantz,

    Thank you for the kind words! I'm going to split this post up into two sections: Airliner and General Aviation.

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With the airliners, BVAI supports the following aircraft with fully functional AI for both FSX and P3D V4:

 

Airbus:

A318, A319, A320, A321, A332, A333, A342, A343, A345, A346, A359, A388.

 

Aérospatiale:

ATR42, ATR72, Concorde.

 

Beechcraft:

B1900D

 

Boeing:

B732, B733, B734, B735, B736, B737, B738, B739, B741, B742, B743, B744, B748, B752, B753, B762, B763, B764, B772, B773, B77L, B77W, B788, B789.

 

Bombardier:

CRJ2, CRJ7, CRJ9, CRJ1000, DH8B, DH8C, DH8D.

 

British Aerospace:

BAE 146

 

Embraer:

E170, E175, E75L, E75S (Yes, there is definitely a difference), E140, E145.

 

McDonnell Douglas

MD11, MD80, DC91, DC93, DC94, DC95.

 

Fokker:

F50

 

Saab:

Saab 340, Saab 2000.

 

General Aviation AI supported in both FSX and P3D V4:

 

Pilatus PC12

Baron 55

Baron 58

Bonanza A-36

G8 Airvan

DHC6 Twin Otter

Cessna 172, C208

Cessna C402, C404, C414, and C421 (For you Cape Air flyers)

King Air A100, F90, C99, B200, and C90

Sorts SD330/360

BN2 Islander

Hawker HS125

Beechjet 400

Learjet LJ23, LJ24, LJ25, LJ31, and LJ35

Gulfstream GII, GIV, GV

DC3/C47

Citation 510, 550, 750

Challenger 604/605

Embraer Phenom

Global Express

Piper PA28, PA31

Cirrus SR22

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Please keep in mind this list is changing every day as we add or subtract aircraft that are not quite optimized for P3D V4. The airlines are a lot easier because you have a set callsign and aircraft type that Vpilot can use to scan and find a match within the BVAI package. General Aviation is a lot tougher because you can have any set of number or letters.. i.e. N_ _ _ _ _. The model matching code relies solely on the user's aircraft type to match the correct AI model, which is causing some issues. We're currently working through these issues. We're also seeking to improve load times with FSX and P3D V4. The more aircraft you have, the longer the sim takes to load. Aircraft like the Russian Antonov-70 are fun to have in the sim, but are seen very few and far between on the network.. if at all. Even after release, we will continue to provide hotfixes and updates to improve this list.

 


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Matthew, wow! What a list! It was more than I could have hoped for. Really looking forward to the initial release.

 

 

Lantz


 

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Guest Danny Rice

Any AI helicopters?

 

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Any AI helicopters?

 

Danny

 

AI Helicopters are a tough one. Throughout the beta testing, we've used one single model to cover all helicopters. So far we've tried three helicopter models across eight beta versions with little to no success. The helicopter aspect of AI modeling is just not quite there yet in P3D V4. We're gonna keep trying to incorporate some sort of helicopter model, but it's not at the top of our priority list for this first version.


Matthew Miller

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A quick note concerning the regional airline model matching as I've recieved a few questions about it.

 

One aspect of BVAI that will be implemented is regional model matching. As a frequent regional flyer myself, nothing bothers me more than seeing a default aircraft in the place of what should be a regional jet.  {...}

The amount of extremely thorough forethought that has gone into this project is VERY, VERY impressive.

 

I call BS on it being a "quick" note, however  :-)

 

EDIT: I also love how Michael Scott was the first one to comment after "his" scene from The Office was referenced :-)


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One thing to note, this will not work if you have multiple AI Packages installed. There are too many variables going on to match the correct livery with the callsign and aircraft type. We’ve found through beta testing that any additional packages installed will interfere with our model matching file, and cause Vpilot to crash.

 

MR, can we touch base via email or phone/TS about the above? This should not be the case at all. You should be able to run multiple packages and set the priority for model matching, such that, e.g. vPilot will use BVAI's model matching rules first, then fall back to other packages.

 

And it certainly should not cause vPilot to crash!


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