Don Desfosse Share Posted July 29, 2010 The long-anticipated change from Taxi into Position and Hold (TIPH) to Line Up And Wait (LUAW) is now official, with an implementation effectivity of 30 Sep 2010. The FAA just issued FAA Notice 7110.536, effective 30 Sep 2010, that changes our terminology from "Position and Hold" to "Line Up and Wait". This further drives our alignment to ICAO procedures. Summary of Changes: 1. The phraseology "Position and Hold" will be replaced with "Line Up and Wait". b. First state the runway number followed by the line up and wait clearance. PHRASEOLOGY RUNWAY (number), LINE UP AND WAIT Link to comment
Mike Willey Share Posted July 29, 2010 This almost sounds like it should have been posted on April 1st......But I never underestimate the ingenuity of the FAA Mike Link to comment
Jack Gilbert Share Posted July 31, 2010 Isn't that what we do at restrooms? Jack Gilbert Link to comment
Guest Chris Mauro Share Posted July 31, 2010 Isn't that what we do at restrooms? By we, do you mean men or women? ;) Link to comment
Ross Carlson Share Posted July 31, 2010 Isn't that what we do at restrooms? Also known as "position and hold it." ;) Link to comment
Guest Scott Crawford Share Posted August 6, 2010 What is the pivotal difference between these two phrases? Obviously pilots and controllers would assume the same general meaning correct? I know I'm rather amateur at this but it just seems redundant to change common phraseology to common phraseology when they in essence mean the same thing. Any insight? -Scott Link to comment
Don Desfosse Author Share Posted August 6, 2010 It's changing common US phraseology to common international (ICAO) phraseology, to help "everyone else" understand the instruction better. Conformance to the ICAO standard. No comment on whether I think it's smart or necessary or not... ;) (The FAA didn't ask me....) Link to comment
Ross Carlson Share Posted August 6, 2010 More than once on VATSIM I've seen it first hand where a foreign pilot didn't understand what I meant when I said "position and hold." He read it back as "Roger, hold position." No idea if the same thing happens in the real world, but I wouldn't be surprised. And since there's no other common phraseology I'm aware of that a pilot (regardless of native language) might confuse with "line up and wait", I think it's a good change. Link to comment
Guest Jacob Bush Share Posted August 12, 2010 Take this from an American's point of view. The first thing that would come to mind if Ididn't know it as ICAO would be to hold short. Generally when we line up to do something that means we aren't doing it yet, ie. taking the runway. While I believe this is remotely possible, I highly doubt any confusion would last long or endanger anyone... Link to comment
Don Desfosse Author Share Posted September 30, 2010 Well, today's the day, folks! It's official, it's now Line Up and Wait. (Ugh..., he said in distaste....) Link to comment
Guest Derek M Share Posted September 30, 2010 Let's see how many times I have to correct myself today. Link to comment
Guest Chris Mauro Share Posted September 30, 2010 Let's see how many times I have to correct myself today. +1 Link to comment
Don Desfosse Author Share Posted October 13, 2010 A minor pen and ink change to N JO 7110.536, Line Up and Wait (LUAW) Operations, effective September 30, 2010, has been posted. The only change can be found on page 2. This change is intended to allow Controller discretion with phraseology usage and reduce potential workload associated with the requirements of paragraph 3-9-4d. The changed version may be found at: http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/medi ... .536PI.pdf Link to comment
